joining me with reaction to this and much more, former new york city mayor, rudy giuliani. how are you? >> good to see you. >> i interviewed this gentleman on my radio show today. he said there was no security built into the system. >> these are health care records, they're supposed to be private, protected. everybody feels about their health care records if they're going to be given out they should be the ones to have given them out. this is very damaging for the whole process. people are very afraid to have their health care records basically on line, because of the hacking problems. so i mean, this has done a lot of damage, not just the obvious. >> all right, so he says when you develop a website you develop it with security in mind. first things first. >> it has -- if the pharmaceutical company was developing a health site for their trials, they're going to have a lot of security because they don't want the other companies to find out what they're doing. this is not brain surgery, there are a lot of examples out there of companies that have developed a security system f